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welcome back in this video i'm answering the question should i put my rental property or real estate into an llc i'll be looking at rental property llc tax benefits and implications and looking at the pros and cons of using an llc for your real estate or rental property but first if you're new here my name's amanda and you're watching the business finance coach where i simplify all the technicalities of money and business and investing to help you succeed because i truly believe that the world needs your business and you deserve to make your dreams and ideas come to life and these aspects of our civilized society should not hold you back they should empower you to move forward and on that note i have a free crash course for you all about real estate and how to master your accounting and taxes and it includes a free template so after you finish this video if you need this foundational education and real estate be sure to get free access right now while this crash course is free for you check out the links or in the description below now let's jump into should you form an llc for your real estate or rental property and what are the pros and cons to using an llc for a rental so first the question is should i put a rental property real estate into an llc and i actually find that more often than not people are asking this question because you want to know about the tax benefits you know if you take these extra steps for an llc what are the tax benefits so first of all there's no right or wrong way here you can use an llc you cannot use an llc okay i just want to be clear about that it's not like one is far better than the other there are pros and cons and so that's what we're covering in this video number two there's no difference in taxes okay there's zero difference in tax whether you use an llc or you do not this is a big area where people mistake differences in process and requirements for differences in taxes so next before we get into the pros and cons of llc or not llc another fundamental concept to just be aware of is that when we talk about putting a rental property or real estate into an llc we're looking at the same foundational concepts as considering a business using an llc or not because renting a property or using it for business is what the irs calls trade or business and as long as profit motive is there it applies just the same now of course the pros and cons i'm going to go over are specific to rental properties but i just want you to understand that it's a business activity renting a property and so when if you see anything out there about choosing an llc or understanding llc's it applies to rental properties the same way and you might say but what if i'm renting a property and i have a loss well you still own the property because the payments of rent are going into your principle right and so the activity itself is is for profit you're not doing it for charity so with that let's get started into the pros and cons and this is really the meat of understanding your options with using an llc so a pro is that an llc is what's called a separate business entity it's formed under state legal law and what that means having a separate business the whole point of separate business is this concept called limited liability you might have heard of it it's hard to talk about the llc and not hear about limited liability because it's the primary feature of separate businesses so what is limited liability it's that you as an owner personally aren't responsible for what happens in the llc instead the llc is just like you are responsible for your actions if you break the law you can be sued you can be fined well now the llc has an activity renting a real estate property and it's responsible for its actions it can be sued it can be fined and therefore there's separation between what's owned in the llc and what you own personally and so it's a called protection to keep these liabilities separate so let's take a look at my cheat sheet from my choosing the best type of business to form course and a few other courses i have about entities so every business has legal and tax implications or sides and so you can see legal is on the left and tax is on the other side so every business has these two sides to it now if you see over on your left side it says is this business a separate entity or not the first option the sole proprietor isn't separate so if you personally go out and purchase a home and start renting it you have a for profit activity that you're doing it's just under you personally with all of the other types below including llc there's a separate entity created now on the tax side you can see that it's almost the same except for the single member llc when the llc was created it was what's called a disregarded entity on the tax side meaning the irs just never looks at it doesn't acknowledge it whoever owns the llc is who the irs sees and so the single member llc you can see it has a nickname called the best of both worlds because with our not separate business sole proprietor on the tax side on the right you can see it says separate business tax return and so the not separate business doesn't have to file a business tax return all of the other types of businesses do and that's a bad thing because they're more complicated they're more expensive more goes into it so it's considered a a you know more work not no benefit to it remember there's no tax benefit to using one of these entities it's just extra steps so the single member llc is called the best of both worlds because we get the limited liability on the legal side but we don't have to file a separate business return on the tax side now a multi-member llc does have to file a separate business return and that's a lot more cumbersome and so it's really something to consider if you're considering you know doing a multi-member llc because you think that's what you need to do be sure to understand that there's no tax benefit you want to really have a strategic reason why you would do a multi-member llc with other people you don't want to just be getting your daughter or getting your spouse to do it with you because you know you thought that that gives you a more legitimate business or tax benefits it's quite the opposite okay so nothing wrong with using the multi-member llc but you want to know why you're doing it you know you're going in with an investor you're doing the work the investors putting the money this is how you guys are combining as owners you just want to be clear about that otherwise this limited liability concept that's the pro of using an llc that really is the reason to do it but how relevant is this if people go around and like i said at the start there's no right or wrong here people use the llc people don't use the llc well if this limited liability is so so important and such a benefit why wouldn't i say everyone should use an llc well quite frankly if it it does create a lot more steps using the llc um for some people this is overwhelming and and prevents you from moving forward and of course i'm gonna go into the cons in a moment so i'll save um some aspects on
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- Kellye Stepter, Staff Member
you know perhaps the most common question I receive from BiggerPockets members is should I set up an LLC for my real estate business it's a good question because I'm sure you've heard the horror stories of landlords and other investors getting sued by tenants and losing everything you didn't spend years learning about real estate growing your portfolio and figuring out how to be an effective landlord only to lose it all to some deadbeat looking to gain the legal system right however LLC's are also highly misunderstood in the real estate space because they're just so darn complicated what works for one person might not work for you and what works for you might not work for me well I could give you like the simple answer of talk to an attorney I wanted to have a little bit deeper so you understand this of course I am neither an attorney nor CPA so please take what I'm saying as my own personal opinion and get a qualified person to help you with legal discussions all right well my name is Brandon Turner author of the book on rental property investing and a host of the BiggerPockets podcast and in this video I want to walk you through the world of real estate in LLC's of course if you like real estate content be sure to subscribe to our Channel and click that little thumbs up button below this video letting the world know that this here is a good one all right now this video can be divided into really like three general chunks first I'm gonna explain what an LLC is and why they're so popular second I'll explain the downsides of an LLC and why you might not want one and third I'll walk through some other options you have for protecting your assets okay first let's talk about what an LLC is and what it isn't an LLC is not a get out of jail free card you can be sued with an LLC and you can lose everything an LLC is not designed to prevent you from ever being sued an LLC is designed to help you manage and contain the fallout from that lawsuit so according to the United States Small Business Administration SBA a limited liability company is a hybrid type of legal structure that provides the limited liability features of a corporation and attacks efficiencies and operational flexibilities up a partnership according to the definition and LLC's benefits are threefold first limited liability if you were to get sued your liability then nor the damage to your wallet may be contained to the assets within the LLC not everything else you own in other words if an LLC is set up right and you get sued and lose the creditors problem won't be able to come and take your personal house to your car or garnish your w-2 job wages of course there are way as a judge might pierce the protection of an LLC and go after those things if every Iowa's not dotted and every T was not crossed all right the second part of the definition tax efficiency the LLC is fairly easy to handle during tax time especially if it's a single member LLC which basically means you own it or you and your spouse LLC's are known as pass-through entities which means the income and expenses flow magically through the LLC and are instead reported and paid by each individual member on their personal income statement there is no like corporate tax like a corporation may pay this can definitely make taxes easier and less expensive then let's say a big you know C Corp that's said while a single-member LLC does not require its own business tax return a multi-member LLC with partners does don't make that mistake now third operational flexibility an LLC is fairly flexible in terms of running it you don't need a thousand documents you don't need a bunch of stock issued it's fairly easy to set up fairly inexpensive depending on where you're at so it's easy to see why an LLC might be advantageous to a real estate investor I mean let's just say a tenant slips on the stairs BAM and broke their hip right the tenet decides to sue that landlord for neglect and the court sides with the tenant for whatever reason let's say your insurance doesn't cover all the legal penalties and you as the owner are required to pay five hundred thousand dollars out of pocket to the tenant ouch well if you own the property without an LLC the tenant could have your wages garnished and force you to sell all your properties and drive you to bankruptcy you probably end up eating cold beans out of a can under a bridge while pigeons sit on your shoulder it's not a fun place to be on the other hand if the owner of that property was Mainstreet Investments LLC then the LLC is the owner getting sued the courts could make you sell that property but they likely won't going to make you sell the other properties owned by other LLC's they won't take your primary residence you will be eating cold beans of course this example is a bit overdramatize and unlikely to happen and I actually don't mind eating cold beans but it does illustrate the fear that drives most investors to want an LLC however even though it sounds like it might be I might be encouraging you to go get an LLC right now hold your horses there are some other important factors to consider so LLC's can be awesome but let's talk about the problems with an LLC and real estate all right so LLC's are great I'm not gonna deny that however it might not be great for you there are some fairly important considerations to make before you jump into the LLC bandwagon that could affect your decision for example and maybe most importantly lending on an LLC is almost impossible for residential properties that's right if you plan on using a loan to acquire an investment property like a single or duplex triplex four-plex it's unlikely you can have an LLC on the property most residential lenders simply will not lend on a property inside of an LLC that makes you have to go to a commercial lender has higher fees higher rates shorter terms something you probably don't want to do now many investors simply transfer the ownership of the property into an LLC after purchasing the property in their own name but that does present some risks as well if the bank finds out and they probably will due to insurance reasons they get updated to that they might call your notdo because of the due on sale clause of course you didn't actually sell the property but you did transfer the title from one entity to your name to another your LLC now in the past this has never really been a problem as banks generally turn a blind eye to this but it seems it could change in the future and it's really only expected to get worse as interest rates go up so if you plan to go that route just I recommend speak with your bank get permission in writing to transfer the property into an LLC this is really the only way you'll be truly protected from that dreaded due on sale clause transferring from you to an LLC all right one other issue with an LLC will ask yourself what are you really protecting and spending all this time and energy doing new investors automatically think they need an LLC to protect themselves but when you're first starting out how much wealth do you really need to protect right then I mean think about it you've got a proper
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- Kellye Stepter
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