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welcome to home biz tax talk my name is lissandra Everett I am the home biz tax lady where help home business owners win the tax game home biz tax talk airs Monday through Friday 9:00 o'clock ish and when you tune in to my show you're gonna hear about topics that are important to the home business community okay one of the biggest complaints I get is that I never talk about see corpse well that is intentional hahaha you know and the main reason is this because a lot of times what happens is that people go look up a specific question on YouTube and Google that's how search engines work you're looking for an answer to a particular question you watch one video or you read one blog post and then you suddenly feel like you have the answer to your question and then you go and get yourself into a whole bunch of trouble such as the case with business entities and all of that and really why I've been focused here for a while so but most of the content that you find though is really about the benefits of doing something is telling you why you should but there really aren't a whole bunch of people telling you why you shouldn't okay and so that's really where I'm going with this one because a lot of times I think people get enough information on the benefits of doing something but not really realizing the pitfalls and the obstacles that can come with this and forming a c-corporation is one of those things okay so I will tell you now that you can read all the blogs you can watch all of my videos you can watch every Dern YouTube video that you can find about business entities you are still not going to get a correct answer specifically for you this is why you need to come you need to consult with a professional invest in the consultation because that little bit of money that you're gonna spend upfront is gonna save you thousands on the back end so I implore you to not go and make these business entity changes without consulting with someone okay that is a professional and I don't mean going to the barber shop and a hair salon to get your tax advice okay I'm just letting you know alright so but that out of the way I want to focus on the disadvantages of having your LLC taxed as a secret so the first thing that everybody hears about is the double taxation and what does that mean that means that with the corporation the C corporation that is the only business entity that actually files and pays its own taxes the S corporation partnerships those are information returns there is no federal tax now is there can there be state tax liabilities with those entities absolutely but the corporation the C corporation is the only business entity that files and pays its own taxes so the earnings that the corporation's has the profits are taxed and then if there are any dividend distributions those are also taxed at the individual level okay so now the dividends are considered ordinary income so that can be from ten percent on the low end to thirty seven percent on the high end based on what your final income tax bracket is where if you are an owner of the corporation and you are working in the business then you you have to take a salary and so you are you know you're being paid on a w-2 and you've got to pay those Social Security and Medicare taxes as well so you're gonna pay the you know the taxes at the corporate level for the business and also individually whether you're getting a dividend or you're receiving a salary so that's the double taxation piece now the other another disadvantage is based on the tax cuts and Jobs Act this is the tax reform that just happened corporations are not are not able to take the qualified business income deduction that is the up to 20 percent that passed through entities can take on their personal income tax return for for the qualified business income deduction that's based on your profit and some other stuff there's a whole bunch of math that goes into that but it's up to 20 percent and there's some other limitations in y'all that just did something that that kind of math yeah we just ain't doing that today but also for the corporations there is the accumulated earnings and what that is is you know if you've got a corporation and you're keeping money in the bank you can you may actually have to pay taxes on that now now you really don't have to worry about the accumulated earnings tax until you have about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in the bank but still it's a concern because if you're growing your business the way that you're supposed to you're gonna make money so the accumulated earnings tax is one of those things that's a possibility even if it's not today in your future that's an additional I think it's about twenty percent tax for accumulated earnings tax so there is you know a whole nother ball of wax over there then the next one is the what's called zeroing out okay so basically what that says is you're not leaving any money in the corporation you're either paying it all out in salaries or dividends which means you may not pay any taxes at the corporate level but you're gonna pay it at at the individual level so that's something that people try to do as well it just depends on you know what your goals are this is why I say you don't go do this stuff all willy-nilly because there's too many moving pieces now this one the next one I'm going to talk about people like it's just a lack of knowledge really and that is dealing with corporate losses so when you have a loss with a pass-through entity that's again that's your sole proprietor your single-member LLC your partnerships multi-member LLC and your s corpse those that pass through the the profits and losses are passed through to your personal income tax okay so if there's a loss its netted against other income and you know for your personal is that if you've got a w-2 job you've got a spouse that's working it's netted against other income where with the corporation you're your corporation maintains those losses and you hear about a net operating loss and really net net operating losses are really huge because people are you know what hit the news earlier this year is how Amazon isn't paying any is on 11 billion dollars well or 11 million however but it was a bunch of commas and zeros at the end okay but it's because they have a net operating loss that they're carrying forward that was wiping out their profits okay and so that's what happens with the corporation when you have a loss that gets carried forward and with the current with the current tax law it offsets up to 80 percent of your profit so you can still the net ever up net operating loss I don't know why I can't say that today the NOL how about that that's what it is so the NOL gets carried forward and offsets other profits in the future it's not something that gets passed through to your personal return alright now the next one is really not understanding the getting out process right this is why again I tell you you don't take these things lightly because getting into being taxed as a c-corporation is really easy you just file a form and boom there there you go but if you figure out after the fact
Thanks for your comment Owen Koetz, have a nice day.
- Mikel Kounovsky, Staff Member
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everyone now welcome to today's episode of the bottle business sense show I'm Rick Moscoso with my co-host Bill Barnard on the other side and today we have an interesting show where we're going to talk about or ask the question should your LLC elect S Corp status and so we have an excellent expert on the other side who's going to talk about this topic so let's let's bring them onto this episode mr. bill Barnard thanks Rick good to see you good to see you everybody I'm glad you're with us today Rick mentioned that we have an expert with us and what he's referring to me but I want to want to also add a disclaimer that what I'm going to talk about today is important from a business and a taxation standpoint that you should coordinate what I say today with your tax accountant very very very important and you'll see why as we we go through the show you know Rick I thought I'd start out by saying business owners often struggle between whether to choose an LLC or an S corporation and the two really aren't that mutually exclusive and by that I mean it's possible to form an LLC but then elect S corporation status what do I mean by that let's go let's talk about some of the similarities and key differences between the two and that'll help you get a foundation for what I mean we're talking about a strategy concerning payroll taxes and employment taxes if you have an LLC payroll taxes and employee complete absence of limit taxes are going to be very very critical and I'll show you what I mean unlike a regular C corporation both an LLC and an S corporation do not pay taxes on business profits they only pay they only pay actions through the income tax returns filed by the business owners in other words they're passed through taxable entities so you file a return your accountant does on your behalf for your business whether it's an LLC or an S corporation and you pay the state secretary of state the fee a yearly fee for that which is the same every year but you don't pay any taxes until you file your individual tax return because the profits you make from your LLC or your S corporation flow through or pass through your individual tax return and that's when you pay your taxes so having said that both structures are passed through taxable entities and the second big important similarity is both structures new what we're going to test you at see if you remember all the important things never talked about what's the key of having a business entity what's the big key of having a business entity why do you want one well the one that comes to mind is protecting their personal assets yes see that's it that's the second big key similarity between an LLC and an S corporation you protect your personal assets again assuming you're you you don't have a pseudo entity you're not committing fraud and various other things that we've talked about in other shows concerning business entities specifically however there's some key differences between the LLC and the S corporation usually the LLC is a big advantage for small business owners who don't want to be what burden by paperwork because the S corporation has a lot of specific paperwork and annual meetings and organizational notes that you have to keep during the course of the year the other thing is the LLC offers more flexibility 's and how how owners can allocate the percentage of their profits and losses this is real important follow me on this now this is really important the LLC offers flexibility let's say you start a business with a friend and you each own 50 let's say you and I started leaving this Rick and I own 50% and you own 50% but something comes up in your personal life you spill coffee all over yourself and you've now got hot coffee stains and burns all over you've got to be rushed to the ambulance by the ambulance or the hospital and you can't work I'm having to do most of the work and I'm saying this folks because before the show today Rick stole coffee all over himself so but uh we are business partners hypothetically so all of a sudden you can't do most of the work I have to do it you decide and we decide that the fair thing to do is to pay me 75% of that year's profits and you only get 25% because I did most of the work we can do that with an LLC however with an S corporation we own 50% of that corporation so regardless of me doing most of the work you get 50% of the profits and I get 50% of the profits even though you're laying in a hospital somewhere you know I'm getting high on the opioids or whatever it is and you're collecting all this all this money right so that's the real big classic plus for an LLC remember that certain businesses can't be LLC's like lawyers like myself that's again the topic of a different show but if you're if you're if you're a business owner and you can choose between an LLC and a corporation that's one of the things that LLC allows you to do that a corporation would never allow you to do how about the key advantage that an S corporation has with taxes because that's really what we're talking about in this show the S corporation gives you more flexibility with regard to taxation so if you have this big flexibility I just talked about with an LLC in terms of allocating profits and you have this big tax advantage with an S corporation which I'm going to explain in a minute when you have the best of both worlds if you formed an LLC but you chose to be taxed as an S corporation sure sure but how does that work well the S corporation gives you flexibility in this way for example let's say you're have an LLC now all of your earnings are passed along in the form of self-employment income and therefore when you make your profits on your LLC you're getting taxed on Social Security and Medicare ok you're getting taxed in the form of self-employment income and Social Security and Medicare all of the taxes the payroll taxes that come out of your taxes at the end of the year if you have an S corporation though you have the option of dividing up earnings in terms of wages and salary and then passive income in the form of distributions so only wages and salary that you take out are subject to the FIC
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- Mikel Kounovsky
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I've studied australian history at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond and I am an expert in dramaturgical sociology. I usually feel curious. My previous job was soil conservationist I held this position for 21 years, I love talking about mountain biking and mixology. Huge fan of Soulja Boy I practice horse riding and collect film memorabilia.
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