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hey everyone chad pavel cpa here the big question i often get from first-time entrepreneurs very very very very often is how do i pay myself and how do i pay taxes on a single member llc all right so this is your first time opening a business if you've never run an llc before you've never had a tax return and you're just thinking about how do i actually pay myself and how do i make sure that i'm keeping track of all the profit and loss how do i pay taxes i don't want to have penalties and interest how do i stay on top of all this stuff so you're definitely asking yourself the right question so what i've done is i've created a quick little whiteboard presentation where i'm going to show you what it really takes to first track your profit and losses within an llc and then second how your income actually carries over to your tax return and then number three how to actually pay taxes on your llc profits all right so as you can see we've got a blank slate right here and what we're going to do is we're just going to assume that you are an owner a 100 owner of a single member llc and then you live here in the united states if you've got multiple members if you have you know if you live outside of the us if you own multiple llc's this will certainly get more complex but just to make things very very simple again we have one us individual and you own 100 of an llc all right so that's really just what we need to start with so i'm just going to create the llc entity basically and that's going to be called your co your co llc and obviously we need to put you up here so let's just put you as the single owner so you own 100 percent and you're happy because you own a very awesome profitable business so you own 100 again of this llc so let's again assume that you've been in business this is going to be the business that's been going for let's say a year let's say you started in february or march and now it's december and you have concluded the business operation so let's just talk about how to make some money uh so we're going to actually show you making money let's say you did 200 000 in revenues or sales same thing all right so you got two hundred thousand dollars going into the business and let's say that you have uh spent one hundred thousand dollars to run the business so you've got a hundred thousand in business deductions expenses whatever you want to call them so obviously the big simple math here is 200 minus 100 you've got a hundred thousand dollars in taxable profits put that in green so you made 100 000 on this business this year first of all it's a pretty darn good number especially for your first year in business and so you've got a hundred thousand dollars in profit so the first thing to note is how do i pay myself well as a single member llc owner there's really only one way to pay yourself and that is you take money out of the business bank account and you write yourself a check you send yourself an ach or a venmo or really anything to get the money out of the llc's business bank account that's it that is how you pay yourself there's no additional tax on you taking money out of a single member llc it's actually taxed the same way as a sole proprietorship in the sense that again all you really are doing is taking money out of the business bank account and writing yourself a check now there are some things to consider here obviously you got to make sure there's enough money in the bank account and so the question really then is well whether i take twenty thousand out or maybe i take all hundred thousand of my profits out what am i gonna pay taxes on so that's the second thing but again number one is you simply you simply write a check and that's how you pay yourself and you call that a draw so there's really no payroll you're not taking a paid check you're not writing yourself a 10.99 there's no guaranteed payments as we call them in partnership or multi-member llc land but if you're a single member llc owner you simply write yourself a check for how much money you need and you'll get an idea of how much you need to live on after you get the business really rocking and rolling but that's as simple as it can be the second thing is how you pay taxes well you're gonna pay taxes on the businesses profits all right so it's as simple as that you're gonna pay taxes on your business profits and here's the other caveat regardless of how much money you take out of your single member llc in the form of salary or draw we'll call it a draw regardless of how much you take out you're still going to pay tax on the profits and the profits of the business we just calculated are 100 000 so here's how that works let's move over to the right a little bit on your individual tax return or your married filing jointly tax return which is your form 10 40. if you take a look at it right now you're going to see a couple of different things you're going to see wages you're going to see other income you'll see all sorts of different inputs basically you're going to have a separate schedule it's called a schedule c and you're going to have a schedule c for every single member llc or sole proprietorship enterprise that you have going on in your life so a different schedule c so in this schedule scene this is a schedule c you're going to have a profit and loss statement it's going to show various details of your 200 000 in income and you have various details of your 100 000 in expenses but in the end it's going to show a 100 000 profit all right now here is how you pay taxes on that hundred thousand dollar profit on your individual tax return you're gonna have this schedule c but basically you're gonna have all this carry forward over and it's gonna have a line item for one hundred thousand dollars for income from your business basically and so that is going to be part of your taxable income your 100 000 now let's say that you are married and you also have a day job let's say this was just a side hustle well you're going to have income from your job you're going to have wages and salaries so let's say that you have a hundred thousand dollars also from your day job let's say your spouse has makes 125 000 so you're gonna have 100 plus 125 which is 225 in wages on your tax return you have a hundred thousand dollars in you know business income we'll call it schedule c income and on this income you're probably not going to have taxes withheld uh you the way you actually need to make sure you pay enough tax is that you account for the income you're going to have and you make some estimated tax payments so basically in a nutshell as simply as possible your inputs or the money in your income is going to be the combination of you and your spouses if you're married wages from day jobs and then all of your earnings from your various llc ownerships and again in this case it's really simple it's a single member llc that you own you and your spouse make 225 in wages the business made it a hundred thousand in income so on its simplest simplest level you're gonna pay tax not just on the 225 and hopefully you've taken out enough on your salaries but you're gonna have also the one hu
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- Allan Rixie, Staff Member
hi she took away the CPA with eight attacks and accounting and for this week we will be talking about LLC's and S corporations and it loves talking about this topic you know because my company concentrates on small business owners in pass-through entities so I love giving tax tips to help lower that tax bill for my clients S corporations and LLC's you know they're both great entities they both offer that legal protection operational advantages and the pass-through income to the income tax return but if we're talking about taxes LLC's do not save on taxes yep you've heard that right LLC's do not save on taxes LLC's are great for asset protection you know for long term but if your company makes more than thirty forty thousand a year you have to consider converting it to an S corporations why because the net profit in an LLC all of it passes through to the personal income tax return and all of it is subject to something called self-employment tax the self-employment tax that's your FICA taxes your Social Security your Medicare okay all of it is subject to self-employment tax versus an S corporation only the salary portion of the owner is subject to the self-employment tax but not the distribution which is great it's a huge tax saving for small business owners let's take a look at an example because I think if you see it it's better to really understand it so let's consider two entities we have an LLC here we have an S corporation here and for just simplicity reasons let's say that both of them have a net profit of a hundred thousand and we don't see that profit I'm talking about after you have paid your cost of goods sold your utility bill your telephone your office supplies and all of that so you have a net profit of a hundred thousand so now with an LLC when you come to prepare your personal income tax return all of the 100,000 will be subject to self-employment tax and that's at fifteen point three percent that's a lot this is fifteen thousand three hundred because now you're the employer and you that you're the employee you're paying both Social Security and Medicare as an employer and it's employee and so this is self-employment tax in the fall one hundred thousand and after that you have to pay federal income tax rate state income tax and local tax depending when you live where you live on the taxable income this is crazy now if you have converted your LLC to an S corporation which of course you can you just have to fill out the form and definitely consult a CPA or a legal adviser to help you with that you need to fill out form 2553 to convert your LLC into an S corporation and under the S corporation you're required to take a salary okay only the salary would be subject to self-employment tax the rest is distribution dividends owners draw whatever you want to call it and then it's not subject to self-employment tax only the salary is now you're supposed to take a reasonable salary under the IRS how much is reasonable fall fit depends I mean accountants and CPAs you know they vary with their opinion on this but we follow a matrix we try not to be too aggressive or too high try to be reasonable on the salary that we give you so you would then be questioned on an audit and if this we don't want you to be more self-employment tax than you should be paying so let's think 40 percent is a good number so 40,000 is your salary and only on that you would pay self-employment tax of fifteen point three percent and that is six thousand $120 look at the difference self-employment tax under LLC and self-employment tax under an S corporation that is a difference of nine thousand one hundred eighty right this is huge you can use that for your retirement for your advertisement to grow your business to whatever you want with it but this is a huge tax dealing so only the salary is subject to self-employment tax not the sixty thousand if you have any questions or would like to suggest the topic for next week please comment below and don't forget to give us a like and subscribe to our Channel we would love for you to give us your opinion visit us at eat the tax that come thank you
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