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hello welcome back in this video I'm going over how to pay yourself in a partnership I promise the answer may not be as simple or delightful as you may have liked but I hope to break it down and simplify it in this video actually this video is from my pain owners and workers course and I think I did a really good job of simplifying it as best as possible so I wanted to share it with you in this video because I know so many people have been asking this question before we jump in if we haven't met my name's Amanda you're watching the business finance coach where I simplify business to help you succeed because I truly believe that the world needs what you have to offer things like accounting taxes and business these are just tools I hope to make them feel like accessible tools that actually support you instead of hold you back and keep you confused so if that sounds like something you want in your life consider subscribing now let's jump into paying yourself in a partnership okay so in this video we're talking about how you pay yourself in a partnership and this is like a contractor in that you can just take the money out of the accounts right you are gonna need to track it and I'll be talking more about all of these things the second thing is the primary way that you can pay yourself in a partnership and it's called guaranteed payments and I'll talk about how you have to set these up but like it says they're guaranteed payments so they're not based on how well the business does and so when it comes to being paid and what your tax on we'll be talking about number three which is the ordinary business income from the business and I'll be going over the 1065 and the k1 and then the fourth thing is that you're able to take money out of the business at any time and deposit money into the business at any time if the business needs funds and that activity will actually affect something called basis so we'll be jumping in and going through all these but I know you might be like well how do I pay myself though how do I literally do it well you just take the money out of the business whether you do a transfer you write a check you take cash from cash revenue it's just going to come down to recording it in a partnership you're never ever paid as an employee or as a 1099 contractor the business should never issue you a 1099 or a w-2 you're not paid that way so you're gonna just take the money out maybe you schedule regular transfers maybe you do a one-off transfer you can do it however you want it's just understanding how it's going to be categorized and how it's going to affect right come tax time so that's what we'll be going through as we go through all of these in more detail in this video we can see here this is the form 1065 right and I had a screenshot of this line right here ordinary business income an easy way to think about this it's much like the Schedule C right income - expenses focused on only what the business is in the business of doing so owners are going to share this amount and it's actually ordinary business income is box one on the schedule k-1 this is the form that the owners get right and you can see this is ordinary business income and then there's all these other types of income gains or losses or types of expenses any other types of activities charitable deductions things like that are all separately stated throughout the schedule k-1 and then the owner is going to report them on their personal return and they're gonna go into that section right if you have other interest income the interest income from the business is going to be netted everyone who's an owner in the business is going to get a share of the business income and they're going to be taxed on that then how you're taxed on this if you work in the business you're gonna pay self-employment tax it's like working income if you're an investor and investors in partnerships cannot work in the business but if someone is that investor then this is going to be treated as passive income and that comes back to the operating agreement that's not like arbitrary that you can like say every year it's based on the operating agreement and it should be amended if it's different now the one other thing we've got to add in is this line right here and this is an expense it's a deduction for ordinary business income and this is guaranteed payments to partners if your operating agreement specifies that one partner is going to get a salary regular payment amount of money then it's allocated to that partner and that amount goes here and decreases the ordinary income that everyone is taxed on here and then that partner will have their guaranteed payments reported here or here so really it makes sense to use this guaranteed payments for partners but for it to qualify as a guaranteed payment it has to be defined in advance and the partner has to get it regardless of how well the business does but the advantage to this is that it makes sure that the person who's working who is taking money out of the business is paying taxes on it but so that's how you're paid in a partnership okay it's either guaranteed payments or you're taxed on ordinary business income that's your pay however in reality people can take money out anytime and people may need to put money into the business any time so just like it for the single-member LLC each partner has a capital account for the accounting records and they have capital contributions and capital draws for each partner and that's all that means is money taken out that's not guaranteed payments money put in that's contributions and that doesn't show up anywhere here what that affects is basis and as you may be aware there's an entire course on basis so someone could take a lot of money out of the business right if say the Seiya business makes a lot of money say there are two partners when partner is off doing some work the other partner is running the business but actually has a huge boom in the business and the other partner doesn't even know and they're taking money out to go and nuts and come the end of the year they had a say ordinary income of a few hundred thousand no partners had guaranteed payments well that other partner who didn't know about this is going to be taxed on half of it even if that other partner took all the cash out of the business if it wasn't categories just guaranteed payments they're gonna be taxed on it now those contributions in withdrawals that's kind of the default if you don't have guaranteed payments but that doesn't come into play until you're either deducting a loss or you are the business is closed you've sold your share because it's an asset we're gonna have a gain or loss calculation so basis is increased by things and decreased by things when you put money into the business it increases basis when you take money out it decreases basis you can never go negative on your basis and you can never therefore deduct a loss coming from here that would take your basis negatives so and obviously once you start withdrawing if you would draw too much money more than your basis of draws then if you go below zero you're gonna be ta
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- Alleen Holahan, Staff Member
in this video I'm gonna break down partnership taxation basics and basis which is a common concept for partnerships so I'll be explaining how a partnership is taxed and how to keep partnership accounting records because that's what gives you the information you need for taxes and all of this will lead us right into what the multi-member LLC or partnership business needs to keep track of itself and what individual partner members need to keep track of on their own because the business won't be doing it for them if you've been confused by what you find online I don't blame you there's a lot of technical textbook type examples which tend to be disconnected from reality I'll be showing you my partnership worksheet calculation in Excel which compares the three types of member partner basis calculations which I'll be explaining more momentarily and we'll be looking at my multi-member LLC business spreadsheet template now like many things taxes the partnership taxation is quite complex but I'll be explaining the differences between inside and outside basis capital account tax basis so if you've been hearing these terms when you're trying to figure out your partnership taxation I'll be clarifying the differences in this video now I do have other videos that will go through the individual calculations the differences and paying yourself and you'll find the links to those in the description below however I highly recommend watching this video first my name is Amanda you're watching the business finance coach on YouTube where I simplify business to help small business owners succeed I'm the creator of the small business MBA which is an online program that helps business owners step-by-step to set up their LLC their business accounting taxes and legality all in one online II course I give away a free version of the spreadsheet template that's in that course called the free business spreadsheet template if you need help with accounting quarterly taxes and end-of-year taxes all covered in there so there's links in the description below to everything I just mentioned for now let's get back to partnership taxation first let's just go over who exactly partnership taxation is for we have legal business types of multi-member LLC s meaning there's two or more members and partnership businesses now both of these types of businesses default to be taxed as a partnership now if they qualify they can elect to be taxed as a corporation and then text as an escort and an S Corp combines aspects of the corporation and a partnership and it's really a common tax type so how is a partnership text a partnership is called a flow-through entity because the activity from the business flows through to the partners and so the business itself pays no taxes and this happens on form 1065 which is the businesses tax form the business form reports all of the businesses activity income expenses other income other deductions and that all of these amounts flow through on to schedule K ones and there's a schedule k-1 for each partner attached to the form 1065 so all of the activity is reported to the partners based on their ownership percentage each business has a hundred percent ownership share which it can allocate between its owners so all of the amounts on the schedule K ones need to add up to the amount on the 1065 just like all of the partners ownership percentages need to add up to a hundred percent for the business then each partner reports their schedule k-1 on their personal form 1040 for their taxes that means that the business must file before the partner can file their own personal tax form they report the schedule k-1 just like they would a w-2 or a 1099 however that's where things get more complicated because unlike a 1099 which has one number the schedule k-1 will have often many different numbers because it's related to the business activity when that business activity flows through to the K ones it retains its character that's a tax phrase which means if the income was interest income for the business its interest income for the partner on their personal return if the income was rental income then it's rental income on the partners return so let's flip over to form 1065 and schedule k-1 and I'll show you what this looks like form 1065 u.s. return of partnership income so this page one reports what the business actually does so this is going to be the ordinary business net income or loss the income is reported on top and the expenses reported on the bottom that gets us down to this ordinary income or loss line 22 now you'll notice this income doesn't include things like investments dividends or interest sales of things this is only for what the business is in the business of doing that's why there's costs of goods sold gross profit ordinary income or loss now down here are the expenses we have salaries and wages first and that refers to w-2 employees but that does not include any payments to the partners because partners which could be members in an LLC are never taxed as w-2 employees now if they're receiving a regular payments that like a salary that's under guaranteed payments to partners which is a deduction for ordinary business income however I don't want you feeling like that's a deduction in a better way to do things because at the end of the day it doesn't actually make a difference and I'll go into more detail in that in my video about paying yourself in a partnership many expenses will just go under other deductions with an attached statement if they don't fit into any of the other categories so that gets us to ordinary business income or law and a lot of people see this tax section at the bottom and get confused these are not taxes that are often applicable to partnerships so that's the main business activity now page 2 and page 3 are just based on informational questions page 4 is schedule K and this is where everything is divided out and it's from schedule K that all of the information flows to the K ones so we can see that final net income or loss from page 1 line 22 it's reported first but then we have two other main types of income net rental real estate income or loss or other gross rental income or loss so if you have amounts in more than one of box 1 2 or 3 then you should have additional statements attached to your partnership tax return that explain how the any activity listed below is related to these different activities essentially it would have made more sense for them to just require a separate schedule K to be used for each activity box 1 2 & 3 these are the three main activities for partnership net income or loss then we have these called separately stated items we can see there's interest income dividends capital gains sale of business assets that's section 1231 property section 179 deduction is a special type of depreciation contributions means charitable contributions so the business doesn't take it instead it goes to your own personal return to see if that partner will qualify for those charitable contributions are not investment interest expense that was a schedule a deduction net earnings are lost from self-employment and t
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- Alleen Holahan
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I've studied cryptanalysis at South University in Savannah and I am an expert in game design. I usually feel peaceful. My previous job was air crew officer I held this position for 7 years, I love talking about history and zampogna. Huge fan of Jayme Closs I practice shuffleboard and collect steiff teddy bears.
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