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hey everyone chad pavel cpa here the big question i often get from first-time entrepreneurs very very very very often is how do i pay myself and how do i pay taxes on a single member llc all right so this is your first time opening a business if you've never run an llc before you've never had a tax return and you're just thinking about how do i actually pay myself and how do i make sure that i'm keeping track of all the profit and loss how do i pay taxes i don't want to have penalties and interest how do i stay on top of all this stuff so you're definitely asking yourself the right question so what i've done is i've created a quick little whiteboard presentation where i'm going to show you what it really takes to first track your profit and losses within an llc and then second how your income actually carries over to your tax return and then number three how to actually pay taxes on your llc profits all right so as you can see we've got a blank slate right here and what we're going to do is we're just going to assume that you are an owner a 100 owner of a single member llc and then you live here in the united states if you've got multiple members if you have you know if you live outside of the us if you own multiple llc's this will certainly get more complex but just to make things very very simple again we have one us individual and you own 100 of an llc all right so that's really just what we need to start with so i'm just going to create the llc entity basically and that's going to be called your co your co llc and obviously we need to put you up here so let's just put you as the single owner so you own 100 percent and you're happy because you own a very awesome profitable business so you own 100 again of this llc so let's again assume that you've been in business this is going to be the business that's been going for let's say a year let's say you started in february or march and now it's december and you have concluded the business operation so let's just talk about how to make some money uh so we're going to actually show you making money let's say you did 200 000 in revenues or sales same thing all right so you got two hundred thousand dollars going into the business and let's say that you have uh spent one hundred thousand dollars to run the business so you've got a hundred thousand in business deductions expenses whatever you want to call them so obviously the big simple math here is 200 minus 100 you've got a hundred thousand dollars in taxable profits put that in green so you made 100 000 on this business this year first of all it's a pretty darn good number especially for your first year in business and so you've got a hundred thousand dollars in profit so the first thing to note is how do i pay myself well as a single member llc owner there's really only one way to pay yourself and that is you take money out of the business bank account and you write yourself a check you send yourself an ach or a venmo or really anything to get the money out of the llc's business bank account that's it that is how you pay yourself there's no additional tax on you taking money out of a single member llc it's actually taxed the same way as a sole proprietorship in the sense that again all you really are doing is taking money out of the business bank account and writing yourself a check now there are some things to consider here obviously you got to make sure there's enough money in the bank account and so the question really then is well whether i take twenty thousand out or maybe i take all hundred thousand of my profits out what am i gonna pay taxes on so that's the second thing but again number one is you simply you simply write a check and that's how you pay yourself and you call that a draw so there's really no payroll you're not taking a paid check you're not writing yourself a 10.99 there's no guaranteed payments as we call them in partnership or multi-member llc land but if you're a single member llc owner you simply write yourself a check for how much money you need and you'll get an idea of how much you need to live on after you get the business really rocking and rolling but that's as simple as it can be the second thing is how you pay taxes well you're gonna pay taxes on the businesses profits all right so it's as simple as that you're gonna pay taxes on your business profits and here's the other caveat regardless of how much money you take out of your single member llc in the form of salary or draw we'll call it a draw regardless of how much you take out you're still going to pay tax on the profits and the profits of the business we just calculated are 100 000 so here's how that works let's move over to the right a little bit on your individual tax return or your married filing jointly tax return which is your form 10 40. if you take a look at it right now you're going to see a couple of different things you're going to see wages you're going to see other income you'll see all sorts of different inputs basically you're going to have a separate schedule it's called a schedule c and you're going to have a schedule c for every single member llc or sole proprietorship enterprise that you have going on in your life so a different schedule c so in this schedule scene this is a schedule c you're going to have a profit and loss statement it's going to show various details of your 200 000 in income and you have various details of your 100 000 in expenses but in the end it's going to show a 100 000 profit all right now here is how you pay taxes on that hundred thousand dollar profit on your individual tax return you're gonna have this schedule c but basically you're gonna have all this carry forward over and it's gonna have a line item for one hundred thousand dollars for income from your business basically and so that is going to be part of your taxable income your 100 000 now let's say that you are married and you also have a day job let's say this was just a side hustle well you're going to have income from your job you're going to have wages and salaries so let's say that you have a hundred thousand dollars also from your day job let's say your spouse has makes 125 000 so you're gonna have 100 plus 125 which is 225 in wages on your tax return you have a hundred thousand dollars in you know business income we'll call it schedule c income and on this income you're probably not going to have taxes withheld uh you the way you actually need to make sure you pay enough tax is that you account for the income you're going to have and you make some estimated tax payments so basically in a nutshell as simply as possible your inputs or the money in your income is going to be the combination of you and your spouses if you're married wages from day jobs and then all of your earnings from your various llc ownerships and again in this case it's really simple it's a single member llc that you own you and your spouse make 225 in wages the business made it a hundred thousand in income so on its simplest simplest level you're gonna pay tax not just on the 225 and hopefully you've taken out enough on your salaries but you're gonna have also the one hu
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welcome back to taxes made simple i'm your host carlton dennis and today we're going to go over how to pay yourself as a single member llc if you're someone who has recently started a business then you probably are thinking about setting up a single member llc or a multi-member llc if you're getting into partnership with someone but in today's video we're going to discuss exactly how you should be paying yourself as a single member llc to not get yourself in trouble and to make sure that you're leveraging the tax law the way that it's meant to be leveraged let's dive in now the first thing we have to understand about the single member llc is the characteristics of the single member llc if you're a single member llc owner that means you have established a disregarded entity a disregarded entity is no different than a sole proprietor business which pretty much means is that you decided to start a business but the only thing now that you've done is that you've separated the liability from yourself which means that you're no longer associated with just your social security number you now have this ein number that you get to utilize the ein number is taken to a bank where you can open up your business banking account you can have a checking account a savings account you can even establish yourself a credit card even if the bank will allow it now in order to understand how to pay yourself as a single member llc i'm gonna break it down very simple for you on a white piece of paper on my ipad let's jump right in so what i have here is how to pay yourself as a single member llc what i'm going to do is i'm going to go ahead and draw a line directly on the center of the page i'm going to put our single member llc on the left hand side i'm going to go ahead and put ourselves us we're going to be over here on the right hand side okay so we completely separated ourselves from our business our business is sitting over here we're sitting on the right-hand side which means the liability is no longer associated with us if something happens and someone wants to sue us inside of our business they can sue us but they're going to sue only to the extent of what we have now that's sitting inside of this single member llc now let's just say that we started in online candle business and let's say our candle business made a hundred thousand dollars in the year of 2021. well if our candle business has accepted this money through our single member llc we need to make sure that we've accepted it the right way first now if you have established yourself as a single member llc the government has given you a very important number it's called an ein number and i view an ein number almost like a social security number for your business because it is it's truly how your business is identified it's the number that you present to your bank when you want to open up a bank account and it's the number that you need when you decide that you want to grow your business credit or apply for a loan so this number is going to be extremely important to you the ein number however needs to be set up which means you need to go take it to a bank and you need to establish your business bank account now once the business bank account is established and we have our candle business we can accept this hundred thousand dollars through our single member llc but now the next question becomes how do we pay ourselves if we were to move money over to ourselves in our personal bank account without doing anything formal or running payroll to any type of company as adp or carla dennison associates then we have taken what's called a distribution what a distribution means is that we've simply just distributed money to ourselves let's say that we decided to distribute twenty thousand dollars to ourselves does this mean that our business receives a twenty thousand dollar deduction over here it does not and part of the reason why our business doesn't receive a deduction when we're a single member llc writing ourselves a check or just moving money over or selling ourselves or even then mowing ourselves the reason why we as business owners do not get a deduction for paying ourselves as a single member llcs is because we aren't processing payroll with a payroll company and we aren't taxed as an s corporation when you're a single member llc you are just what's called a shareholder and as a shareholder you can take income to yourself and you can also pay your employees however when you pay your employees you receive a deduction for this but when you pay yourself you receive no deduction and this is what hurts a lot of my single member llc clients because they'll get into their business and start growing their finances but then they get to a place where they want to start paying themselves but they're not getting a deduction every single time they pay themselves so then they come to their tax guy and say hey is there anything i could have done to reduce my tax bill and then they find out later that they should have switched over to an escort in order to receive this deduction for paying themselves on the tax return so let's talk a little bit more about how an llc can switch over to an s corp to pay ourselves out of our s corporation if we're an llc in order for us to switch over to an s corp we're gonna need to do two things we're gonna need to complete a 25 53 form in an 88 32 form these two forms right here are how the llc transitions over into an s corporation but one of the things that we have to understand about the escort is the s corp has a lot of rules and one of the rules of the s escort is that you have to give yourself reasonable compensation reasonable comp which is a salary not to mention you need to make sure that you're filing your tax returns on time which is march 15th instead of april 15th so when we get over into this s corporation what does it mean to take reasonable compensation what does it mean to have a salary well you think about a job that you've ever had before in your life just think about any type of job you've had whether it was working for 7-11 whether it was being a bellhop whether it was being a lyft driver an uber driver you were given a wage based on what you were doing and it was deemed reasonable based on what you were doing but if you're a business owner and you're making money you may have an extravagant business you may be a youtube star you may be someone who's behind a camera and just selling themselves online your business could be a number of different things so you have to try to determine a reasonable compensation for yourself based on the income you're making but not just the income that you're grossing you want to base reasonable compensation based on net income after all of your expenses so if you're someone who's making really good money but you end up having tons of expenses to offset that really good money you're never really in a position where you're taking a huge reasonable compensation so let's talk about it let's say i made three hundred thousand dollars in my business but then after all expenses and i had two hundred dollars in expenses i was left with
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