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in this video I'm gonna explain the difference between a sole-proprietorship and I'll see and a corporation from both a legal and tax perspective my name is Navi Mirage I'm a certified public accountant and we've got a lot to cover so let's get into the video all right so no matter where you're watching this video whether it's on your various social media platforms you can always find this video on my website which is Navi Mirage CPA com a quick disclaimer before we get into the details I am NOT an attorney however I am a certified public accountant so I can speak to the tax implications of setting up these various legal entities but I have consulted with attorneys across the nation and I'm pretty sure they would agree with most of the things that I might touch on from a legal perspective but you would want to consult with your business attorney to see if they agree with what I'm saying here so as I mentioned when you form a business you are actually making two decisions you are making a legal decision and a tax is decision so let me kind of lay the foundation for this video and that will kind of make a little bit more sense so when you form a business you are going to be treated as the ways up above here from a legal perspective and then down here are the different ways you could be treated from a tax perspective all right so up here I have the different legal entity types and down below the different tax types let's talk about the colors for a second the green is going to indicate how this particular entity is taxed by default what I mean by that is you know there's no box that says hey check here to be treated this way this way from a tax perspective the blue represents how that entity type could be treated from a tax perspective and I'll get into those details here in a second now there are some less common structures that I didn't put on here and you can also have an LLC treated as a c-corp but that's not very common and this video is for your average small business owner so let's get into the details so the sole proprietorship you can form a sole proprietorship by simply walking into your bank and if your name is John Doe for example you could talk to your banker and he or she will open up an account call john doe's landscaping if you're in the landscaper and you could just go out and start mowing people's lawns if you want now I don't necessarily recommend that because that the sole proprietorship doesn't have what's called limited liability protection so if someone Sue's your you know john doe's landscaping your individual assets as john doe the individual are also now at risk okay so how is this entity treated the sole proprietorship treated from a tax perspective well its treated as a sole proprietorship but what I mean by that is you are going to complete you or your tax professional is going to complete a Schedule C and attach it to your form 1040 individual tax return what I want to help you understand is that there's no separate set of tax documents that you're completing or having your accountant complete when you form our sole proprietorship it's an additional Schedule called Schedule C that's attached to your individual tax return now let's for a brief moment talk about these entity structures on the right-hand side so I mentioned that the sole proprietorship does not provide limited liability protection these entity types may and I say me because you want to treat them as though they're separate entities so you don't want to come in commingled funds between your business and personal you want to use your entity name on all your marketing documents you might if you're an LLC have a articles of organization of course but also an operating agreement maybe you have a Board of Advisors you take meeting minutes when you have business discussions even if it's by yourself I know that sounds a little silly but yes you want to record meeting minutes and all those things will help you you know prop up and support that yes your LLC is actually different than you as an individual but let's kind of break these down one by one so here I have SM l ec LLC rather or s MP LLC this means that s M stands for single-member so you're a one-man shop if you will and how this is treated is by default is as a sole proprietorship so it's exactly the same as this entity type the sole proprietorship so you are simply adding Schedule C to your individual tax return a single-member LLC by default is taxed the exact same way a sole proprietorship all it does is give you that limited liability protection let's move on oh briefly let's touch on the P LLC so a lot of you are probably like what is this P LLC I've never heard of it P LLC stands for professional limited liability company so who should be forming a PLLC someone who holds a license with the state that they're forming the entity in most of your states across the nation support a plc so if you are a certified public accountant or an attorney or a physician or a realtor or maybe a general contractor holds a license you should be forming a professional limited liability company if it's available in your state all right moving on mmm LLC that stands for a multi-member LLC the owners of an LLC are called members now the default tax classification for a multi-member LLC is a partnership and so you would file a separate set of tax documents call its form 1065 and that's the tax return a partnership completes or your account would complete for you there's no sort of I mentioned this a moment ago there's no check the box when you're forming your multi-member LLC for you to know that hey it's going to get treated this way from a tax perspective this is just information that your accountant should advising you on and let's touch on the c-corporation a lot of you might have heard this this is your you know Amazon's of the world or C corporations but if you are a professional just like I mentioned here the P LLC if you're a professional and forming a C corporation you're a corporation is actually called a professional association so again your attorney your realtor let me touch on the Realtors for a second many Realtors have some you know top producers in their office who have pas but you know the corporations have been around and existence much longer than the LLC's have and that's why they may be doing so it may not be right for you you might prematurely create a PA if you're if you don't have a conversation with your attorney or CPA so how is the corporation treated for tax purposes well it's subject to double taxation which means that the profits from the corporation are going to pay tax when they form file file form 1120 and then the shareholders the owners of a C corporation our cars are called shareholders and they will then again pay tax when they receive distributions from the C corporation or the professional association so how can these entities be treated as S corporation so quick point I want to make is you can't go to your state and say I want to form an S corporation these are the entity types that you would form with your state from the single-member LLC on this way I mentioned that the
Thanks for your comment Nikole Cerrano, have a nice day.
- Devora Skeeter, Staff Member
so what's the difference between an s-corp and an llc well first off both of them are actually llc's when we refer to an llc here we're talking about an llc taxed as a sole proprietor we'll just call it an llc and then when we talk about an s corp we're actually referencing an llc tax as an s corporation both llc's and s corps provide business owners with a couple of things legal protection so that they're there's a corporate veil between the company's assets and your personal assets they provide some operational advantages like partnerships and the ability to collaborate with others and they both serve as pass-through entities for taxes which means the profits and losses will flow through to the business owner so let's get a little more specific here for both an llc and an s corp you're going to be figuring out your tax on your net profits now net profit is what's left over after you subtract all your deductions and write-offs from your business's gross income now in an llc your entire net profit will be subject to what's called self-employment tax remember when you were an employee at another company and your paycheck had that little fica or medicare deduction well when you have an employer and an employee relationship your employer would have paid half the social security limit and medicare tax while the employee paid the other half now that you're self-employed you'll get to pay the tax of fifteen point three percent on all net earnings up to the social security limit which changes each year but is at eighteen a hundred and eighteen thousand five hundred for two thousand fifteen after you hit the social security limit all your earnings above that you'll owe medicare taxes which is two point eight percent then after you pay yourself employment tax you'll be subject to state and federal income tax this is simplifying it a bit but essentially you'll be paying an increasingly higher or marginal tax rate on your earnings the more you earn the higher your tax rate so with an llc you'll pay 15.3 self-employment tax on all of your net profits then you'll pay state and federal income taxes on your personal tax return let's look at a quick scenario uh focusing just on the self-employment taxes for a fictitious llc taxed as a sole proprietor here if you had taken in total revenue of whatever then after your deducts deductions and expenses you had a net profit of a hundred thousand dollars your self-employment tax bill would come up to fifteen thousand three hundred so we've got a hundred thousand dollars in net profit and fifteen thousand three hundred dollars in self-employment taxes breaking that down a little bit that's a monthly bill of 1275 dollars just for your self-employment taxes now after you've done your self-employment taxes you'll still owe state and federal income taxes which if you were single and had let's say 85 000 in taxable income just your federal income tax bill would be about 17 thousand three hundred and twenty five dollars on top of your self-employment taxes that's not even factoring in your state income tax property taxes or anything else you pay that seventeen thousand in federal income tax is just for a single person paying on 85 000 in income so this puts your total tax bill excluding fees sales taxes property taxes state income taxes or other dues the total tax bill at a conservative 33 thousand dollars a year that means you're taking home 8 300 a month and writing a check to the government for 2750 a month just for self-employment taxes and federal income taxes if that doesn't get your heart racing a little bit i'm not sure what will so the question is what can we do about this conundrum well the most popular strategy employed is incorporating to an s corp with an s-corp you'll incorporate and become an employee of your corporation then you'll take two forms of income the first part of your income is that you'll pay yourself a salary and the second part of your income is what's called a distribution or a dividend so we're going to split up the income into these two parts the salary and then the distribution what you'll see in a minute is that the salary is subject to the 15.3 self-employment tax while the distribution is not so you're paying 15.3 percent on your salary but not on your distribution because the distribution income isn't subject to that fifteen point three percent tax the temptation can be to falsely shift all your income over to the distribution and not take a reasonable wage which is why the first part of your income or that salary or wage or payroll must be reasonable according to the irs there are multiple factors that dictate what kind of a salary you need to pay yourself the salary needs to be reasonable for your experience comparable salaries economic conditions and a bunch of other factors this is super important you must take a bona fide reasonable salary so now let's take a look at a fictitious s corp example now looking at the same hundred thousand dollars of net profit you'll pay yourself for this illustration a sixty thousand dollar salary then you would take out forty thousand dollars in distributions this is just an example the tax benefit is that the salary is subject to that fifteen point three percent s e tax but the distributions are not subject to the sc tax this means that forty thousand dollars in distributions aren't subject to a fifteen point three percent tax putting your total self-employment tax due down from fifteen thousand three hundred when you were an llc to nine thousand one hundred and eighty as an s corp that's a forty percent decrease rather than paying one thousand two hundred and seventy five dollars a month in se taxes as an llc you'll be paying 765 a month as an s corp that means you've essentially freed up 510 dollars in monthly cash flow in this scenario in a scenario like that 510 dollars a month can easily help you save for retirement pay off your mortgage early hire some help reinvest in your business advertise or invest in real estate sooner now if you've already become an llc and you like the idea of becoming an s corp you have to file for an s election in order to become an s corp before march 15th that's a whole month before april 15th when your taxes are due or you'll have to wait till the next year strategies that utilize an s-corp can give you tools to help mitigate your taxes but these strategies should be handled by a competent cpa or a tax professional here at nuance financial we specialize in helping small businesses from across the country implement these strategies as part of a long-term tax plan so check out the description below and go to nuancefinancial.com we'd love to connect with you and provide a free consultation you
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- Devora Skeeter
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