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hey what's up everyone and welcome back welcome back to episode number 12 of this educational video series I'm your host Vijay and I'm a CPA today we're gonna go over the deduction of startup and organizational costs these are the costs that you incur before you before you start operating your business we're gonna go over what comes what what costs are considered startup or organizational costs and how the deduction of this cost differ from the deduction of other business leaded costs so check this video out and I'll see you all in a bit all right let's get started everyone so as I mentioned before the deduction of the startup and organizational cost differ from the deduction of other business little expenses once your business is up and running so before we dive into how this deduction differ from the other business expenses once the business is running let's take a look at what is considered startup cost and what is considered organizational costs so as per the IRS the startup costs are cost associated with creating inactive trade or business or investigating the creation or acquisition of active trade or business so these are all basically these are costs that you incur when you're trying to determine whether or not you want to go into a particular business or whether you're trying to acquire a particular business so before you acquire that business and get it up and running or before you start a new business and get it up and running you incur some costs and these are consider the start-up costs now organizational costs are cost that you incur if you if you're trying to form a partnership for your trade or business or if you try to incorporate your trade or business then these the costs associated with forming that partnership or incorporating your business is consider organizational costs and an important thing to keep in mind is that startup costs are basically costs that you us that you incur before you get your best up and running while the organizational costs are all the costs associated with forming a partnership or incorporating your business before the end of your first tax year so yeah so the important thing to keep in mind is that timeline all organizational cost incurred within the first tax year should be deducted according to these rules now so let's take a look at what are the qualifying startup costs so qualifying startup cost is basically cost that you incurred if you incur this cost during a regular normal course of your trade or business then you would be able to deduct it and it is the cost that you incur before you start your trade or business so let's some of the examples of this qualifying startup cost include the fees paid to consultants CPAs and attorneys to you know explore the feasibility of your trade or business if you if you're trying to advertise your business before you open your doors then those advertising costs are actually and also considered qualifying startup costs if you if you pay someone to do a survey of an alcohol analysis of potential markets products or labor supply etc then those costs are also considered qualifying startup costs and any travel expense that you incur to go and meet your suppliers potential because customers are distributed etc those are also considered qualifying start at the home now let's take a look at qualifying organizational costs as we mentioned before organizational costs are costs associated with forming a partnership or incorporating your trade or business with in the first text here so if you're forming a partnership then the fees associated with the state filing state filing any attorneys or a CPA consultation fee that you have to pay for the forming of your partnership these are considered qualifying organizational cost for Bishop for corporation similarly the state file any state filing fee that you had to pay or any accounting or attorney fees that you incur associated with forming a corporation if you have a temporary directors and if you pay salaries to to those directors before your active credible business begins then those salaries are also considered part of the organizational costs and any costs associated with corporate meetings before you actually start your business so all these costs will be considered organizational cost for a corporation now let's take a look at how do you calculate the deduction so for a start-up and organizational cost as we mentioned before this deduction of this cost differ from the deduction of other regular business expenses so if you in a normal course of your business if you incur $10,000 attorney fee then you know you would be able to deduct that $10,000 fee in the taxes that you paid or incurred that at that expense but when it comes to the startup or organizational costs only first 5,000 of each of these costs is deducted in the year that you start your business so $5,000 of your startup costs and $5,000 of organizational costs are deducted the access of this cost has to be amortized over 180 month period starting with the month that you that you start your that your business opens its doors so basically you had to take the the excess of this costs over 5,000 is it's deducted over monthly installment over 180 month period now the $5,000 cost that you get deduct in the first texture is reduced by any amount of startup cost or organizational costs that exceed $50,000 so that's a dollar-for-dollar deduction of any cost that goes over $50,000 now we'll take a look at a couple examples that will help clarify the deduction little bit more so less take a look at those let's say for example ABC Inc incurs $3,000 in start-up costs and $2,000 in organizational costs now remember we said you can deduct $5,000 of start-up costs in $5,000 of organizational cost in the first text year you start your business so in this case since both of these costs are less than $5,000 ABC Inc will be able to deduct entire amount of startup costs and entire amount of organizational costs within the first tax here now that's the example number two is XYZ Inc incurs $7,500 in start-up costs and $9,000 in organizational cost may be exercised the ink will be able to do that $5,000 startup cost and $5,000 of organizational costs within the first tax here because remember that's the limit the remaining twenty five hundred dollars in start-up costs and $4,000 of organizational costs will be claimed in equal monthly installment or 180 month period beginning with the month that business opens its doors now let's take a look at third example say for example ABA LLC occurs fifty three thousand dollars in start-up costs and $60,000 in the organizational cost now as we mentioned before you a business can deduct $5,000 of start-up costs or $5,000 of organizational costs I'm sorry $5,000 of startup cost and $5,000 organizational cost in the business in the year it starts operating the business but this amount has to be reduced by any if by the any amount that goes over $50,000 so in this case both both of these costs exceed $50,000 threshold so startup cost reduction of $5,000 will be will have to be reduced by the amount that goes over $50,000 so in this
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