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hi everyone i'm attorney aidan durham with 180 law co in colorado and welcome back to all up in your business on this episode of all up in your business we're going to talk about llc management i'm going to tell you guys what it means to be a member managed llc or a manager managed llc why you would pick one over the other and how you can change it if you initially set it up wrong but first don't forget to like subscribe and share and check the description for links to additional information and resources including my free downloadable guide on how to pay yourself in a single member llc all right so one of the benefits of operating as an llc as opposed to say a corporation is that llc's can be very flexible and customizable when it comes to structuring how the llc is going to be managed and operated before we really get into it i want to remind you all that every state is different the forms used to form an llc will be different for every state even though they typically contain a lot of the same kinds of information and while the general principles that i'm going to be talking about do apply to all llcs the exact laws and statutes are going to be different in every state so in most states when you're forming an llc you will need to indicate on the articles of organization or whatever the other term is used not every state calls it articles of organization you'll need to indicate if the llc will be managed by the members or managed by managers the primary difference between a member managed llc and a manager managed llc has to do with who can act as an agent of the llc and who has authority to bind legally bind the llc the llc is a legally recognized being which can sign contracts and enter into legally binding transactions with other parties but since the llc isn't a person who has the actual ability to sign contracts or engage in conversations about potential business transactions the llc needs some humans who can act on its behalf and that's where the members or managers come into play in a nutshell in a member managed llc the members will be actively involved in the day-to-day operations decision making and overall running the business in a manager managed llc the members will elect one or more managers who will be responsible for most of the business operations decision making and day-to-day running of the business the members will be more like silent partners who typically only get to weigh in on major decisions that affect the llc in colorado this is what our statutes say about it if the articles of organization provide that management of the llc is vested in the managers then a member is not an agent of the llc and has no authority to bind the llc solely by virtue of being a member and each manager is an agent of the llc and can sign documents on behalf of the llc and can legally bind it if the articles of organization provide that management of the llc is vested in the members then each member is an agent of the llc and can sign documents in the name of the llc and legally bind the llc so in a member managed llc the members solely by virtue of being members are authorized to act on behalf of the llc whereas in a manager managed llc only the managers are authorized to act behalf on behalf of the llc the members of the llc are not automatically given that authority unless they're also managers but making your llc member managed or manager managed doesn't just affect who can act on behalf of the llc it also affects what duties are owed to the llc and by whom by default llc members or managers owe certain duties to the llc itself and to the other members the members of a member managed llc and managers in a manager managed llc owe a fiduciary duty to the llc in some states these duties can be revised broadened or eliminated in the llc's operating agreement but without that very generally speaking the members or managers have to act in the best interest of the llc at all times when they're carrying out their duties and obligations in a member-managed llc all of the members owe a duty of care and duty of loyalty to the llc if a member breaches those duties by for example engaging in a competing business the member could be personally liable to the llc and the other members as a result of that breach in a manager-managed llc it's typically only the managers who owe that duty of care or duty of loyalty to the llc the members aren't going to be bound by these fiduciary duties solely by virtue of being a member unless they're also managers the process for electing and removing managers will depend on your state's laws and the llc's operating agreement most states will require either majority or unanimous vote of the members to elect remove or replace a manager but just like with those fiduciary duties you can change those requirements in the llc's operating agreement i think it's also important to mention that you can be both a member and a manager unless the state laws or the operating agreement prohibit it a member can be elected manager of a manager managed llc so how do you know which is right for your llc member managed or manager managed of course it depends on your specific situation generally speaking in a single member llc member managed is going to make the most sense since there's only one member to begin with we're assuming that one member is going to be actively involved in the business so it makes most sense to have it be member managed you certainly can do manager managed as a single member llc there's nothing inherently wrong with that but in that case the single member has to then elect herself as the llc manager again that's fine to do but what's the point if the one member ultimately wants to be the one managing the business and acting on behalf of the llc then it makes sense to just structure it as a member managed llc in multiple member llc's member managed is best if all of the members want to have an active involvement in the businesses operations again this makes most sense if all the members want to be actively involved there's no point in electing managers if all of the members want to be managers but let's say instead that you have a member who does not want to be really involved in the day-to-day operations maybe you have some folks that just want to invest some money into the business and see a return on their investment they don't particularly care how it gets there that would be a situation more suitable for a manager managed structure let's say it's you and two other member investors the three of you would all be members and can elect you as the manager it's important that you understand and recognize the difference before you form your llc everything thereafter including the operating agreement who can sign contracts on behalf of the llc who needs to consent to different actions of the llc everything will be very different from member managed llc versus a manager managed so a big question that i get asked pretty frequently is what do i do if i originally formed my llc one way but realized i did it wrong what if you're a single member llc and you accidentally checked that manager managed box on the art
Thanks for your comment Indira Mago, have a nice day.
- Hertha Porres, Staff Member
what are managers and members all right managers and members specifically relate to llcs or limited liability companies and so let's go into all the elements and how this can all shake out now disclaimer i am not your attorney i am not your cpa i'm just providing common information that you can get on the public open internet anywhere uh let's say we've got hal here and hal is the owner of abc tile llc he is the manager and he is the member a manager is an operator to the business a member is the owner of the business so manager operator of the llc member owner of the llc and hal can be both he can be the single person involved in the business and he is a manager and he is a member that's perfectly fine happens all the time why is it called a manager remember one they just call it operator and owner i don't know it just it is what it is everybody likes to make things complicated don't ask me all right so we've got hal here and like i said hal can be both the manager and the member so we're just going to put him over here and so he's both all right and so he runs a business like this for a few years and let's see things get a little bit more complicated they expand now so how is now just the member so the original operating agreement of the llc and the operating agreement is a separate thing we've got a video on that so you can check that out um but in the operating agreement uh at the beginning hal was the manager and how was the member of the llc through the operating agreement through the legal documents now he's evolving the business and he's going to take more of kind of a passive role in the business because he's been working for 10 years and he's kind of tired of it but he still wants to own the business so he brings in joe here and joe becomes the manager of the business he's now the kind of the general manager of the business and hal is just kind of sipping my ties on the beach and so now the legal documents have been altered the operating agreement has been amended and hal is the is the new member is now the sole member of the llc and joe is the sole manager of the llc that's how this evolved let's go a little further now the business expands because joe's done a great job and joe says to hal he's like hey you know i i want to expand this to you know more vans and you know more shops and whatnot um i like to bring on some investors and so hal says okay let me go and find these people so how goes and finds these investors that they provide an infusion of cash let's say they put in uh 500 000 investment and so now hal is no longer the only member of the business because he has sold some of the business for 500 000 let's just make it easy say that hal is now 50 owner of the business and these uh these investors own another 50 that they bought in for for 500 000 so that money can go directly to hal hal can basically just take that five hundred thousand dollars and and uh because he's the one selling uh uh selling his uh his ownership or that can be pumped back into the business not gonna go into that that's a whole nother thing uh but with that extra cash infusion uh joe hires tiffany and so tiffany is now helping him manage the business and so now in this case the business has expanded again it has evolved it has been amended in the docs in the legal documents and again this is why the legal documents are so important to an llc so now we have joe as a manager and tiffany as a manager there are two managers of the business and there are two members of the business hal and the investors now wait a minute there are a lot of people here how can there be multiple people but only two members well let's just say that these people created a fund called abc tile uh investment fund it's called abc tile investment fund llc and they together became members of this new llc and put in that five hundred thousand and then that llc invested in abc tile and so the abc tile investment fund acts as one member but in abc tile investment fund there can be 5 10 15 members of that business and so that shows you the hierarchy of how not only can you have multiple managers and multiple members but you can also have an individual be a manager a member or another llc or another corporation be a manager or a member so that's the long and short of it if you found this video helpful please like and subscribe if there are things that you would like us to kind of go into more detail on this topic comment below or if there's just other uh things that we haven't discussed yet in our any of our videos comment below and let us know but we're going to be creating many many more videos so please subscribe uh check that out also please check out betterlegal.com for business formation services we are the fastest most affordable in the industry and our goal is to educate as many people as we can and provide the most affordable uh and speedy services for people so again thank you for tuning in have a great day
Thanks Rueben your participation is very much appreciated
- Hertha Porres
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