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hi my name is Wayne Mortensen I'm a bankruptcy attorney here in Tucson Arizona you know many times people come in and they say to me the first thing they say when they sit down is they say I want to file bankruptcy on my corporation and I say okay that's fine why do you want to file bankruptcy on your corporation they say well my corporation has debt and my next question to them is are you sure it's your corporation that has the debt in most instances the corporation won't have the debt the debt will either be taken by the individual or it will be personally guaranteed by the individual and that's really important because filing a bankruptcy on an LLC may be I mean it's like really doing nothing in many instances many times what we will recommend to our clients and again this is a very factually specific scenario but many times what we will recommend to our clients is let's just allow the corporation to do nothing to basically not file bankruptcy to go dormant to close it down to wind it down and do nothing and then we file a personal bankruptcy the reason that we file the personal bankruptcy is to get rid of the personal guarantee so for example you could come in to me and say I would like to file a bankruptcy for my LLC I say find your LLC let's say has one debt of $50,000 to Bank of America I take your money I filed the LLC bankruptcy it's gone the LLC doesn't receive any more calls from Bank of America five days after you're discharged and five days after you're done you're sitting on the couch and you get a call from Bank of America and they say we want our $50,000 well the first thing you're gonna do is you're gonna pick up the phone and call me and say why am I getting a call and I am going to remind you that I recommended you file the personal bankruptcy because you guaranteed the personal note okay you guaranteed that $50,000 so filing the bankruptcy for the LLC is great to kind of clean that mess up but it didn't do anything to protect you personally and so therefore that's why a personal guarantee is our personal bankruptcy is so necessary and this type of a situation you know there are many intricacies involved in this situation and so if you have a bank if you have a business that has debt and if you're considering closing that business down walking away from it come on in and see us we'd love to be able to talk to you advise you tell you what you can and can't do with regard to that business and that business debt and so again come on into CS my name is Wayne Mortensen I'm having been a bankruptcy attorney here in Tucson Arizona for the last 19 years I look forward to seeing you in the office thank you
Thanks for your comment Emanuel Carden, have a nice day.
- Sharon Mavis, Staff Member
so what do you do if your small business is failing and you realize that you're going to have to shut the doors but you've got creditors coming after your business do you file bankruptcy on the business watch our next video and find out [Applause] so I probably get this question at least two or three times a week someone will call in and they will announce to me that they need to file a business bankruptcy so whenever I hear this my radar goes up real quick because probably 99.9% of the time you know they don't really need to file a business bankruptcy they probably need to file a personal bankruptcy because they've personally guaranteed probably their business least credit cards maybe a business loan so they're definitely probably looking at a personal bankruptcy but most of the time it doesn't make sense to file a business chapter 7 bankruptcy and here's why a business does not receive a discharge of their debt like a person the whole point of doing a business chapter 7 bankruptcy is simply to allow a trustee to step in liquidate whatever assets that business has and make a distribution to the creditors so if you have a business that has made me a lot of inventory equipment whatnot it really may make sense for you to do a chapter 7 bankruptcy just to allow a nice winddown of the business so a chapter 7 trustee would step in they would auction your equipment your inventory even intellectual property if there was value to it so so they would step in and do all of that pay the creditors and then they close the case and for a lot of folks I get it they just want a nice tidy bow on it to say I'm done the business felt bankruptcy there's nothing else to do but understand if your business doesn't really have any assets um you're basically just paying an attorney to file this for your piece of money and maybe that's worth it to you I always like to just tell my clients set up front because they don't ever want anyone to think that I'm not being you know completely honest with them and then I'm just trying to make attorney fees you know for filing this case because the whole purpose again is doing a liquidation and just repayment of creditors but most of the entrepreneurs or small business owners that I work with and their company is if it's a services company or whatnot and there's no assets you know you can't sell a person so there's there's no asset that can be liquid to be distributed accreditors so if you're if you're having problems with your business you know definitely there may be personal guarantees because most most small business owners have to file you know sign of personal guarantee so that business credit card that you have even if it's not popping up on your personal credit reports a lot of times they don't chances are you had to provide your social and your personal guarantee to that card so once your business defaults they will come after you if you signed a lease most landlords will make you personally sign leases for this very reason so that they have someone to go after if a business folds so those may be very real reasons where you need to you know look at filing a bankruptcy personally also you do need to keep this in mind when a business files a chapter 7 bankruptcy of business is a separate legal entity so the trustee will step in and they will look at the business records or whatnot and I have seen this not with my clients but I've seen it in bankruptcy court room where a person will file a bankruptcy for their business but then that when the trustee looks at distributions that the the business made to this to the owner the trustee will go after the owner to claw back some of that money because it's it's deemed to be you know a preferential transfer you know it wasn't just a regular salary you know the the owner pulls out a hundred thousand dollars and then files bankruptcy in the business well of course the trustee is going to go after that so they can pay the creditors so sometimes I've seen people file a bankruptcy for their business because they think they're doing the right thing and they really just shot themselves in the foot whereas if they just you know if they had just filed a personal bankruptcy later they would have been fine but now in their own business they have they've got a trustee coming after them to take money that they've received and sometimes you know maybe the the withdrawals or the drawers were we're kind of sporadic but you know that it was because that's how they were paying themselves but they've now created this huge headache for themselves and it's gonna be expensive because you're gonna have to have legal counsel to just sort through all of that so you know if you're thinking about filing a business chapter 7 you really really really need to evaluate if it's necessary and of course every case is different and we're always happy to sit down and take a look and go over concerns and I have some clients I just did a case a business case a few weeks ago and the client was like you I hear you I know everything you're saying I've already gone through my books there's been no crazy withdrawals or whatnot I just want to wind this down and and that's fine but just make sure before you do embark on a business chapter 7 bankruptcy that you look at all the angles if you have ever have any questions about business banker chapter 7 bankruptcy or any bankruptcy questions in general don't hesitate to contact us
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- Sharon Mavis
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I've studied programming language semantics at University of California, San Francisco in San Francisco and I am an expert in radio astronomy. I usually feel alone. My previous job was fitness trainer I held this position for 27 years, I love talking about research and chess. Huge fan of Future I practice netball and collect seashells.
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