2 member llc scorp vs llc partnership [With Tuto]

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What is the difference between partnership and S corporation?

A partnership includes at least two people who operate a company together. An S corporation is an LLC or corporation that made a taxation election, allowing the business owners to have profits and losses pass through the business to them.

What is the best tax classification for an LLC?

The best tax classification for an LLC depends on whether you want your business profits to be taxed at your personal income tax rate, or at the corporate tax rate. If you'd prefer personal tax rates, you can classify it as a disregarded entity or as a partnership. Otherwise, you can classify it as a corporation.

Why is partnership better than S corp?

In general, a partnership offers more flexibility than an S corporation in the treatment of taxes. However, S corporation shareholders do have limited legal liability, while general partners are not insulated from the partnership's debts and liabilities.

Should my LLC be taxed as an S corp or partnership?

A domestic LLC with at least two members is classified as a partnership for federal income tax purposes unless it files Form 8832 and elects to be treated as a corporation.

How does an LLC avoid paying taxes?

A general Corporation making a Subchapter â€œSâ€ Election or an LLC with or without a Subchapter S Election pays no federal tax on its taxable income and no employment taxes on its distributions to stockholders.

Why would an LLC file as an S Corp?

The S corporation is the only business tax status that lets you save on Social Security and Medicare taxes while avoiding double taxation. An LLC taxed as S corp offers benefits of a corporation while also providing flexibility on income treatment.

What are the 3 types of LLC?

Single-member LLC for the sole-proprietorship (solo entrepreneur)
Multi-member LLC (member-managed LLC or manager-member LLC)
Domestic LLC and Foreign LLC.
Series LLC.
L3C Company (low-profit LLC)
Anonymous LLC.
Restricted LLC.
PLLC and LLC.

What is the best business structure for a husband and wife?

If Both Spouses Are Owners Your options are: Partnership, with each spouse having a partnership share. Limited Liability Company (LLC), with each spouse having a membership share. Corporation including an S corporation, with each spouse as a shareholder.

What are the disadvantages of an S corp?

Formation and ongoing expenses.
Tax qualification obligations.
Calendar year.
Stock ownership restrictions.
Closer IRS scrutiny.
Less flexibility in allocating income and loss.
Taxable fringe benefits.

Do S corps have to pay quarterly taxes?

Quarterly income tax return deadlines This requires the S corporation to file an IRS Form 941 each quarter to report the aggregate amount it withholds and needs to send to the IRS. The form is due four times a year typically on January 31, April 30, July 31 and October 31.

Can a partnership LLC be an S Corp?

A multi-owner LLC is automatically taxed as a partnership by default, while an LLC with one owner is taxed like a sole proprietorship (one-owner business). However, LLCs may choose to be taxed as a C corporation or S corporation by filing a document called an "election" with the IRS.

When should I convert from LLC to S Corp?

The right time to convert your LLC to S-Corp From a tax perspective, it makes sense to convert an LLC into an S-Corp, when the self-employment tax exceeds the tax burden faced by the S-Corp. In general, with around $40,000 net income you should consider converting to S-Corp.

Can S Corp have 2 owners?

The law states that an S corporation can have a maximum of 100 shareholders. There is no minimum number of shareholders. All the shareholders should be U.S. citizens. S corp shareholders who are not U.S. citizens must be U.S. residents.

Can my LLC pay for my cell phone?

A corporation can only deduct expenses that it incurs. If your cell-phone is registered to you (and not your corporation) and you use your cell phone partially for business purposes, then you can 'charge-back' the business use portion of your cell phone bill to your corporation.

Is LLC income taxed twice?

Your LLC profits are taxed at your individual income tax ratesâ€”just like when your LLC is taxed like a sole proprietorship. No double taxation and you can qualify for the pass-through deduction.

What can I write off as an LLC?

What expenses can you write off as an LLC? There is a long list of expenses that you can deduct as an LLC. Some of the main operating costs that can be deducted include startup costs, supplies, business taxes, office costs, salaries, travel costs, and rent costs.

What is S corp tax rate?

What is the tax rate for S corporations? The annual tax for S corporations is the greater of 1.5% of the corporation's net income or $800. Note: As of January 1, 2000, newly incorporated or qualified corporations are exempt from the annual minimum franchise tax for their first year of business.

Can an S corp have one owner?

One person can form an S corporation, while in a few states at least two people are required to form an LLC. Existence is perpetual for S corporations. Conversely, LLCs typically have limited life spans. The stock of S corporations is freely transferable, while the interest (ownership) of LLCs is not.

What happens when you convert an LLC to an S corp?

An LLC can also elect to be taxed as an S corporation, even if it only has one owner. Electing S corp. taxation doesn't convert your business structure from an LLC to a corporation. It simply changes the way you file and pay taxes and handle owner income.

What is the most common type of LLC?

Company transactions.
Taxes.
Debts the business owes.

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Comment by Marlen Saggione

hey this is attorney elizabeth weinstein and today we're going to talk about if you have a business with multiple owners more than one owner should you be a partnership an llc or a corporation so let's first talk about partnerships a general partnership is the default if you go into business with anybody else and you don't form something else it happens automatically you're going to want a partnership agreement but it happens under automatically even if you don't create a partnership agreement if you kind of don't do it on purpose but what does that mean it's a general partnership means that every single person who is in that partnership is personally liable for that business this is a very very very dangerous type of business energy because what it means is if one of your partners goes and gets a hundred thousand dollar loan for something on behalf of the business you're liable for that now personally liable for that if two of your partners signed a lease that's a ten year lease you're personally liable for it you don't have to have been the one to sign things because they did on behalf of the partnership this can create a lot of risk for people and this is one of the reasons that as soon as it's logistically feasible we want to get away from general partnership and form some kind of kind of other entity now one of the entities sometimes people consider is a limited partnership because that sounds better you're limiting liability but here's the problem a limited partnership means that most of the partners only have limited liability but there has to be one general partner it is very rare where that will be the correct type of entity for you if it is then you'll probably know that you're in some special situation most of the time it doesn't make sense because you as the person who's like running the business who would be the general partner you don't want to be personally liable for all this stuff also for example if you form a limited partnership in california you still have to pay the 800 a year franchise fee you still do a bunch of other filings it it doesn't make any sense when you have the next option available an llc a limited liability company so an llc a limited liability company does what it actually sounds like it limits liability for everybody who owns the business llcs are also very flexible you can structure them differently so different members have different amounts of vote so you can have some members who have a minority share in the business such that they don't have power to run things that works really well if you have people who are just investing in the business and not running the business on a day-to-day basis you do have to file something with the state to get that limited liability company that llc but you limit liability and that's the wonderful thing for everybody who's an owner is you're not personally liable for what happens with the llc so if it takes on debt if it gets sued whatever you're not personally on the hook now another option is to have a corporation you can have a corporation that's taxed as an s corporation or taxed as a c court s s-corps can make a lot of sense because there's a lot of flexibility in taxes and if the business is it's passed through a tax entity so if the business is taking a loss you might be able to take it as deduction on your personal tax returns and you can pay yourself both a salary as well as distributions that are not subject to self-employment tax however for s corp all the members have to be either permanent residents the united states or u.s citizens that means there's a lot of people where that won't work c corporation c corporation is going to be a bit more complicated have more tax liability however it can make a lot of sense for businesses who are looking for outside investors if you're pitching venture capital if looking for angel investors a c corporation is typically what they're going to be investing in and so if you haven't formed one yet you might end up needing to switch to a delaware c corp anyway the bottom line if you are forming a business with somebody else whether it's one other person even if you know them really well or many many other people i generally recommend an llc is going to be the way to go to limit your personal liability for the acts of the other partners the only exception really is to have a c corp if you're looking for outside investors like vc and angel funding now just by the way side note you can have an llc that is taxed as an s corp or an llc that is taxed as a c corp and get some of the tax benefits of a corporation while keeping to the simplicity of having an llc so i just want you to be aware of that you can start out with an llc that's taxed as a partnership and then change to an llc that's taxed as a corporation when you need more tax planning again this is attorney elizabeth potts weinstein if you have any questions about whether or not a llc is the right choice for your partnership feel free to ask it below and i'll try to point you in the right direction thumbs up if you found this video helpful subscribe if you'd like to get more videos like this and join if you would like to support the channel so i can make more videos like this thanks a lot for watching bye

Thanks for your comment Marlen Saggione, have a nice day.
- Demarcus Chanel, Staff Member

Comment by byrgyfnodO

jj the cpa here hope you're doing well so when would you select somebody to be taxed as a partnership versus an s corporation i'm going to back up for one second and tell you that a limited liability company an llc can be taxed as anything it can be a c corp it could be a sole proprietor it can be called a disregarded entity and no separate filing it could file schedule e is schedule f it could be a anything okay so when you say well should i be an llc or a partnership that's not at all what you're saying it's like saying well should i be a texan or a or an american what no if you're an american and you live in texas then you're a texan see what i'm saying point is is that if you're an llc all that's saying is i'm legally put together as an llc we're now talking tax classification when would you be a partnership versus an s well there's unlimited circumstances but i wanted to share with you one that i dealt with a client's uh determination here actually today and we're trying to determine based on their investment and their activity should they be an s corp or should they be a partnership well what it came down to in these circumstances i'm not going to talk to you about every circumstance under the sun i'm telling you about these circumstances and then the choice that we made so because of this client we chose for them to be a partnership just to get to the net of it but we could have chosen for them to be an s corp now they're an llc right now the reasoning for the partnership versus the s corp is that we are anticipating in the early years of there being losses due to depreciation and significant depreciation now don't worry fellow tax bros this is going to be a passive activity that didn't really come into play here believe it or not but it's gonna be passive but it wasn't the reason that we chose to be a partnership just because it's gonna be passive because it could someday be non-passive but it's definitely passive in the near future because s corpse can be passive okay but that wasn't our reasoning it was in anticipation of losses when it's a partnership you get to take losses to the extent of your partner capital which typically is in the early years money that you put in okay so if we're just talking about losses in the beginning there's going to be no income coming out not going to be any distributions coming out there's not going to be really anything other than losses in the beginning so if we have losses and we have passive losses i get it passive losses are only to the extent of passive income but guess what that's the next step in somebody's tax picture excuse me what i'm looking at though is that i want to allow maximum passive losses because with a partnership we have tax basis which is partners capital but then we also have at-risk basis which is losses are able to be taken to the extent of what the partner is responsible for on loans meaning they got skin in the game they are on that loan they are on the hook for that loan okay then they get to take losses to the extent of their investment plus whatever that loan is now with an s corporation it's not the case in the second aspect of that yes you get to take losses to the extent of your capital which is or your shareholder basis right so that would be well how much money did you put in you get to take losses to that extent you gotta remember i'm talking about in the beginning here okay there hasn't been any income yet right so if we want to take losses beyond whatever their investment is and there's loans in the s corp it doesn't matter that's an llc if there's loans in the s corp they're not going to be able to take losses to the extent of those loans unless it's a shareholder loan so the partnership is going to allow this person to be able to get maximum passive losses to the extent of their basis and to the extent of the loans that they're on the hook for that share liabilities that is why we chose the partnership in this one so in a s corporation you're right shareholder basis just like partner basis that's what we would call tax basis money in money out income losses right that's what that basis is for an s corp that's the extent of what you can take for losses passive or not that's your first step right now if the shareholder makes a loan to the s corp then they can take losses to that extent now if those loans get paid back they have to reduce down their basis for that but the partnership here was we're expecting massive losses in the early phase it's definitely passive but we want to be able to take still as many losses as we can to the extended basis the partner's capital as well as then the share of liabilities now you have to look at this carefully it's not just oh there's a llc it's taxes of partnership there's loans i have share liabilities because there's all kinds of different types of liabilities you're signing off on it has to be one that the partner is on the hook for and in writing and the operating agreement indicates that they are on the hook for it and if there's other partners the operating agreement needs to indicate what happens if that partner is on the hook for it until then whatever extent that partner is actually on the hook then they get what's called share liabilities which is on the schedule k1 and then they can take losses to the extent of that as well it's called at-risk basis to then take losses so with this client they do have passive income from other sources they also have active income so it wasn't even a matter of what we're trying to manipulate something to have passive losses they have got plenty of passive income and they got plenty of non-passive income that actually wasn't what the factor was it wasn't even a factor in the s corp versus a partnership what it came down to is basis and thinking ahead and allowing them the loss now they're gonna have way more passive loss than they have passive income which is actually not a bad thing for the client because then they'll allow the losses over the years they'll have the basis to take the losses and then as they have passive income either from this activity or other activities they'll be able to take the passive losses to offset that taking then that income kind of off the top if you will at that higher tax rate so that's where you're kind of in the minutia in terms of these circumstances of why we chose a partnership instead of an s corp all right hey thanks for tuning in i'd love it if you'd subscribe check out my cpe as well put a link in the body of the video to that here and uh well i forgot what i already said so i'm just going to say it again because just so you know you probably don't know this but i've just done probably about 15 videos in rows my last one all right hey thanks for tuning in i'd love it if you subscribed and then don't you ever forget you've never met a cpa quite like me have a great onelike kkk

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